Quantifying the ROI of the XYPN Community

9 min read
February 11, 2019

“Come for the technology, stay for the community”—a tagline that speaks for itself.

We’ve seen that despite our growing list of member benefits—an awesome technology platform, customized business coaching, compliance support, and more—the XYPN community ranks supreme as the most cherished benefit of all.

In fact, our Member Experience Program reports that 33% of XYPN members cite “the community” as the most beneficial part of membership—more than any other benefit we offer.

Because you’re an astute financial planner and business owner, you want proof and hard facts. You want dollar values associated with each benefit, and a true understanding of how each benefit actually benefits you.

I get it.

We get it.

For that reason, I’ve “quantified” different examples of how members engage in our virtual community and associated savings in dollar values. From saving you time to saving your sanity, online community engagement at XYPN pays dividends.


Let’s start with the savings in terms of hours.

What’s your hourly rate? What price point do you equate with your hours?

If you’re like most members, it’s somewhere in the $200-300 range. But even if you’re in the lower range, somewhere around $100/hour, you’d still see massive savings from engaging in the XYPN community.

Take for example vetting technology. Why spend hours upon hours vetting the twelve different CRMs or financial planning software options when we’ve already done that for you? An array of technology tools and solutions are included in XYPN membership. By relying on the tools XYPN has already vetted, you’ll save yourself dozens of hours, which is half the battle.

The other half is how to use that tool appropriately to work with Gen X and Y clients. Guess who helps you with that? The XYPN community.

Whether it’s a question regarding how to maximize the productivity of a tool or the best practices on how to use it, our members have been there, done that. There’s no need to reinvent the wheel: our members share their experiences openly. 

Take, for example, a recent member question:

“For anyone using Wealthbox, how do you keep track of items such as insurance reviews and mortgage calculations in a way that you can access them when needed? I sometimes record actions such as insurance reviews but when I need to review what we discussed, I find myself just manually sifting through all old messages.”

Fellow members jumped to answer this question. They responded with a work-around, ideas, and thoughts. The inquiring advisor (and all members) saved hours because of this discourse.

To quantify, let’s do a low-ball estimate of the advisor saving at least five hours that month alone, lifetime value aside. Boom. $500.

Technology isn’t the only thing members mull over for hours. As our Director of Compliance Scott Gill says: 

The ability for advisors to share documents, experiences with regulators, and ideas provides the opportunity for a unique and well-rounded compliance educational experience.”

What better way to find answers to your state-specific questions than by brainstorming with your fellow members. Instead of staying up late worrying about whether the regulator will approve a fee structure, members can ask each other (not to mention our team of experts!) about best practices.

If a member can save 10 hours of heartache, stress, or worry during a registration, ADV update, or an audit process, there’s value in that. Let’s call it a flat $1,000.

Professional Referrals: Throw that Yellow Book Away!

Although the XYPN community is rapidly racing towards the 1000-member mark (talk about Crazy with a capital “C”), we have to remember that our community is much larger than just our members. Our membership community includes one another’s professional referrals and centers of influences—our contacts, our back-pocket experts.

We frequently see requests for professional referrals in our members-only forum. Members seek expert help from a variety of subject matter experts, from estate planning attorneys to insurance brokers to virtual assistants to website designers.  

Take, for example, a recent request for a professional referral on behalf of her client:  

“[The client] has been a stay-at-home mom, is in her 50s and needs someone who will be gentle and look out for her during this transition. Please tag me if you have a suggestion.

A fellow member responded with a referral: 

“X and X are great. [Lists website].”

 A single response was all that was needed. 

When given a recommendation from a fellow member, it’s a warm lead. There could be four to five referrals shared, all of whom have already been vetted by members who have likely used the referral before and/or know them personally. Additionally, the referral has likely worked with financial advisors before and are familiar with the relationship dynamic.

The benefit to clients can’t go without mentioning—when they’re happy, you’re happy. Keeping clients happy is the key to retention.

Let’s say just one client sticks around one extra quarter because of a helpful referral. At $200/month, that’s $600. And that doesn’t even take into consideration client acquisition costs when departing clients need to be replaced.  

Guess who can also vouch for how great you are as an advisor? That referral. When the referral recommends you to his/her clients, it comes full circle. If that translates into just one new client, that could be a value of $5,000.

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Look to the Experts

Imagine a client has complicated stock option decisions to make. The CFPⓇ coursework only gets someone so far in understanding the nuances and “Kitcesing” (yup, Kitces has become a verb) proves to present only more options than originally imagined. Maybe an advisor feels like s/he just needs a little confirmation that their advice is sound. Sometimes, advisors just need to talk it out, write it out, and ask for feedback.

Some of my favorite questions to review in the member forums are questions about specific client needs. With the above example, we can see how bringing questions to the community can prove invaluable. We have several members who are well-versed in stock options who happily chime in to offer reassurance, advice, and sometimes to play Devil’s Advocate. Better yet, that expert member shares a handy resource that all members can reference.  

As XYPN’s Executive Business Coach Arlene Moss explains:

“We have a variety of groups in both topic and size, so you can throw your questions out to 850+ members to get help from people with a wide variety of expertise and experience, or you can seek out a group that focuses on the topic you need help with—perhaps tax planning, faith based planning, or ESG Investing.”

Brandon Moss, our Director of XY Investment Solutions agrees:

“We have 850 people, many of them doing the same things, who have been down that road and solved those problems before. I’s not uncommon for a question to get lobbed out and numerous people respond.”

If a member-to-member conversation ignites the “a-ha” moment that translates to advice that saves their client money and/or helps that client meet their goals, the community has proved invaluable to that advisor. 

How much would you pay for a member-expert to confirm that your thinking is correct, or better yet, to inform you that you are actually incorrect? Leveraging the knowledge of experts may very well be a fiduciary responsibility of an advisor.

I say that missed mistake is worth at least $500.

Avoiding a fiduciary challenge? Priceless.

New Revenue

Another way to garner more value from membership is through client referrals. Yes, I wrote that correctly.  

One of the many benefits of niching up is that advisors become honest about the types of clients they want to serve. This allows advisors to be selective when working with prospects. If a prospect isn’t the right fit, why force it? Instead, encourage them to work with a different advisor, specifically one who can handle their niched needs. If two members are niched up, the referral relationship can be quite strong. This actually happens!

Don’t believe me? Here’s a recent example of a post in our Client/Prospect Referral Forum:

“I'm looking for someone to help a friend that doesn't fit in my niche. The details are below, but she wants advice and guidance and someone to grow with. She's open to a virtual relationship, as we are located in Indianapolis, IN.”

This is an awesome example of an advisor being honest with themselves about who they want to work with and leaning into the community to find a right fit for the prospect.

Not all members post their prospects in the Member Forums. Those who already have a tight web of centers of influence often have fellow members in their back pockets to whom they refer prospects.

Whether it’s happening in the member forums or individually between members, referrals are valuable. If you happened to score a client from a fellow member, it could earn you a lot of money. Let’s call it a flat $1,000.

Sanity, Motivation, & Stamina

Am I really going to attempt to quantify sanity, motivation and stamina? You bet!

More often than not, I hear members cite their mastermind group as the reason for their sanity. The reason? Building an RIA is seriously hard work! It takes dedication, patience, time, and a lot of energy. If any one of those things is lacking, the endeavor can seem extraordinarily difficult.

Combine that with working out of a second bedroom with no colleagues and with and a dwindling sense of self and you have a recipe for disaster. Get ready to waste a lot of time in the doldrums.

Alan Moore, co-founder of XY Planning Network, has always said, “Loneliness can kill an entrepreneur.” This statement motivates the XYPN Team to work diligently to promote mastermind groups.

When advisors join mastermind groups, they gift themselves the chance to remain sane. XYPN encourages members in their first year to join a weekly mastermind group, ensuring that, at the very least, members can work collaboratively a handful of times every month.

Groups that gain traction end up expanding their communication to phone calls, Slack, and texts. As members get to know each other, they are more willing to address the hard parts of their struggles, push back when they sense time is being wasted, or offer solutions when a molehill has turned into a massive mountain for their colleague.

In the journey of entrepreneurism, this kind of support is invaluable.

The relationships formed in a study group last a lifetime, and the benefits of a sanity partner cannot be overstated. And don’t forget all the peripheral benefits: study group participants refer clients to one another, hold each other accountable, celebrate successes together, become one another’s succession plans, and most importantly, become each other’s friends.

Let’s say a study group member saved an advisor five hours of time by helping them see around their roadblock, thus allowing them to get up early the next morning and crank out the blog they couldn’t drag themselves out of bed to write the day before. At $100/hour, that colleague just saved the advisor $500 of time. 

Anytime a member's mental wheels are spinning out of control and a colleague can help hit the brakes, that member saves time, energy, and money. Who doesn’t love that?

At #XYPNLIVE, we dedicate an entire lunch to in-person mastermind group meetings. Most relationships are virtual throughout the year, but during our annual conference, those relationships become tangible, and motivation takes over. As Pam Horack, an XYPN Founding Member and former Advisory Committee Member, explains:

“[#XYPNLIVEV] is the one time of year I can really connect with members that I only see virtually. So much of my time here is spent talking, sharing and learning that it takes me a week to unpack all the good ideas and focus on how to use them strategically.”

Another member, David Shotwell, who is also an XYPN Advisory Committee member adds: 

“Being a part of the movement that I see as the best chance to change our profession for the better is important to me, along with the collegiality that goes with being among the best and brightest that financial planning has to offer. The learning opportunities are endless and the energy is infectious.”

Even if you’re not in a mastermind group, the community can be an incredibly powerful support tool for those struggling with stamina or endurance. Another advisor said the following about attending #XYPNLIVE:   

“I'm nearing the end of year two, I needed the encouragement and ideas and camaraderie found at XYPNLIVE.”  

If this advisor is able to keep his/her business moving forward because of the relationships built through our community, that community has been invaluable.

But let’s try to quantify it anyways. If this advisor gains the stamina to continue into year two, and say, raise their fees, they could make a firm-altering change for the positive. Let’s assume this advisor raised their fees by $50. Assuming they had more than 10 clients, that could easily result in a $1,000 value over the next few months. Not too shabby.

Collaboration is Key

Not every member will experience the exact value of every opportunity I outlined in this blog. Not everyone will choose to lean into the shared network. We know engagement varies among members.

As I always say, there’s no “right way” to take advantage of membership. But embracing the community sure does help.

However you quantify it, however you define it, however you experience it, I think we can all agree that we can’t do this alone. Collaboration with fellow advisors pays dividends well into the future, and is, ultimately, priceless.

As member Scott Snider perfectly summarizes, “I learn so much from the other members. The good people that are part of the movement are what make XYPN worth it.”

Your firm, your terms. It can be done. Show me how.

XYPN Maddy Roche HeadshotAbout the Author
Maddy Roche is the Director of Member Services at XYPN, and has been making moves and getting sh!t done since she joined the team in May of 2014 when the Network was made up of our first 30 founding members. Since then, Maddy has worked with and welcomed each of the Network’s members, and helps all of them take advantage of XYPN membership. Maddy is responsible for member benefits and services, including management of vendor partnerships and member rollouts and initiatives. She manages the XYPN Member Experience Program.

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